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		<title>Comment on Sea Shepherds vs Japanese Whaling Research by purerichard</title>
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		<dc:creator>purerichard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2011 01:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, Dave, I should have read your other posts before commenting. There&#039;s really just one response that is worthwhile to you, and it is &quot;You need to cut back on the sauce (or pot or whatever), dude.&quot; Seriously, whatever you said about Japan and the tsunami/nuclear accident is just complete nonsense.

On your third attempt to make a point, you seem to be arguing that since the whaling is in international waters, it is therefore a lawless zone where anything goes. That is completely false, as while it is not part of a country, it is part of maritime agreements of which Japan and the U.S. are parties to. Those treaties that pertain to whaling, as I mention in the post, are under the guidance of the International Whaling Commission. According to that commission, which is the only legal body for that area of activity that I know of, Japan may be under a dark shadow but is still operating in accordance with the treaty. 

Now, as I also said, I don&#039;t believe Japan is operating under that treaty in good faith. Maybe they even bribed the whaling committee. However, the appropriate body to deal with that is the IWC or perhaps other international legal entities, not the Sea Shepherds. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, Dave, I should have read your other posts before commenting. There&#8217;s really just one response that is worthwhile to you, and it is &#8220;You need to cut back on the sauce (or pot or whatever), dude.&#8221; Seriously, whatever you said about Japan and the tsunami/nuclear accident is just complete nonsense.</p>
<p>On your third attempt to make a point, you seem to be arguing that since the whaling is in international waters, it is therefore a lawless zone where anything goes. That is completely false, as while it is not part of a country, it is part of maritime agreements of which Japan and the U.S. are parties to. Those treaties that pertain to whaling, as I mention in the post, are under the guidance of the International Whaling Commission. According to that commission, which is the only legal body for that area of activity that I know of, Japan may be under a dark shadow but is still operating in accordance with the treaty. </p>
<p>Now, as I also said, I don&#8217;t believe Japan is operating under that treaty in good faith. Maybe they even bribed the whaling committee. However, the appropriate body to deal with that is the IWC or perhaps other international legal entities, not the Sea Shepherds.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sea Shepherds vs Japanese Whaling Research by purerichard</title>
		<link>http://www.networkeddemocracy.com/japan/sea-shepherds-vs-japanese-whaling-research/#comment-127</link>
		<dc:creator>purerichard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2011 01:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, Dave, Dave. First off welcome to the Internet. One of the conventions we have here in cyberspace is that ALL CAPS=YELLING. I&#039;m going to assume you are unfamiliar with the Internet so I&#039;ll let it pass. 

Secondly, I wrote the article, and I&#039;m a little disappointed by your logic skills, not to mention your grammar and spelling. I can&#039;t hardly make sense of your point, but let me just reiterate that my original point was that &quot;when 2 parties play risky games in the remote ocean, nobody except the people who were there know what really happened and they are both at fault anyway for putting themselves in that spot.&quot; For you to argue that you have studied it and made some conclusion is irrelevant, because I have already argued that since you and I were not there, so we cannot say definitively. Get it? You have to argue against my point, not make a statement reiterating a point I already dismissed. That is, I can say I studied their tactics, and you can say you did. And so-and-so can say they did. How will we determine who is right? The point is, we cannot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, Dave, Dave. First off welcome to the Internet. One of the conventions we have here in cyberspace is that ALL CAPS=YELLING. I&#8217;m going to assume you are unfamiliar with the Internet so I&#8217;ll let it pass. </p>
<p>Secondly, I wrote the article, and I&#8217;m a little disappointed by your logic skills, not to mention your grammar and spelling. I can&#8217;t hardly make sense of your point, but let me just reiterate that my original point was that &#8220;when 2 parties play risky games in the remote ocean, nobody except the people who were there know what really happened and they are both at fault anyway for putting themselves in that spot.&#8221; For you to argue that you have studied it and made some conclusion is irrelevant, because I have already argued that since you and I were not there, so we cannot say definitively. Get it? You have to argue against my point, not make a statement reiterating a point I already dismissed. That is, I can say I studied their tactics, and you can say you did. And so-and-so can say they did. How will we determine who is right? The point is, we cannot.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sea Shepherds vs Japanese Whaling Research by dave swank</title>
		<link>http://www.networkeddemocracy.com/japan/sea-shepherds-vs-japanese-whaling-research/#comment-126</link>
		<dc:creator>dave swank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 00:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AND ONE MORE THING I READ THAT SSGA HAVE NO JURISDICTION
Jack said  THIS,in August 14th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
WELL MY FRIEND THE JAPANESE HAVE NONE EITHER THEY DONT OWN THE AREA OR THE WATER SO THEY BOTH EQUALLY HAVE NO JURISDICTION. IF THE JAPANESE WANT THEY CAN WHALE IN THEIR OWN LAND OR SHUT UP. THOSE WHALES BELONG JUST AS MUCH TO THE SS AS THEY DO WITH THE WHALERS THEMSELVES SINCE NOBODY REALLY OWNS THAT PART OF THE WORLD. IM JUST DISGUSTED THAT HERE IN AMERICA IF I SHOOT A BALD EAGAL I GO TO JAIL BUT AN ANIMAL THAT IS TWICE AS ENDANGERED LIKE THE HUMPBACK IT IS OK IN THE NAME OF (FAKE SCIENCE). HOW ABOUT I UNT SOME GIANT PANDAQS IN THE NAME OF SCIENCE THEN MAKE THEIR SKIN INTO GUCCI BAGS JUST SO THEY DONT GO TO WASTE AND CHARGE $5,000 PER BAG ALL AROUND AMERICA HOWS THAT SOUND. OF COURSE I WOULD NEVER DO THAT BUT YOU GET THE POINT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AND ONE MORE THING I READ THAT SSGA HAVE NO JURISDICTION<br />
Jack said  THIS,in August 14th, 2011 at 5:03 pm<br />
WELL MY FRIEND THE JAPANESE HAVE NONE EITHER THEY DONT OWN THE AREA OR THE WATER SO THEY BOTH EQUALLY HAVE NO JURISDICTION. IF THE JAPANESE WANT THEY CAN WHALE IN THEIR OWN LAND OR SHUT UP. THOSE WHALES BELONG JUST AS MUCH TO THE SS AS THEY DO WITH THE WHALERS THEMSELVES SINCE NOBODY REALLY OWNS THAT PART OF THE WORLD. IM JUST DISGUSTED THAT HERE IN AMERICA IF I SHOOT A BALD EAGAL I GO TO JAIL BUT AN ANIMAL THAT IS TWICE AS ENDANGERED LIKE THE HUMPBACK IT IS OK IN THE NAME OF (FAKE SCIENCE). HOW ABOUT I UNT SOME GIANT PANDAQS IN THE NAME OF SCIENCE THEN MAKE THEIR SKIN INTO GUCCI BAGS JUST SO THEY DONT GO TO WASTE AND CHARGE $5,000 PER BAG ALL AROUND AMERICA HOWS THAT SOUND. OF COURSE I WOULD NEVER DO THAT BUT YOU GET THE POINT.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sea Shepherds vs Japanese Whaling Research by dave swank</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave swank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 23:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OH BY THE WAY IM AN EX MARINE SF SGT. SO I AM VERY FAMILLIAR WITH LEATHAL AND NOW LEATHAL ENCOUNTERING SO THE JAPANESE ARE THE ONES WHO WILL ACTUALL HURT SOMEBODY BUT LOOK AT THEIR PAST THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN MENTALLY UNSTABLE. I MEAN THEY CAN EVEN BUILD A BUILDING WITHOUT IT FALLING AND KILLING THOUSANDS OR OPERATE A POWER PLANT CORRECTALY WITHOUT NEUKING THEMSELVES VERY SCARY EVEN MEXICO CAN DO THIS FOR CHRIST SAKES. SO HOW CAN THEY BE TRUSTED WITH A FRAGILE ECOSYSTEM THAT DOSENT EVEN BELONG TO THEM. HELLO PEOPLE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH BY THE WAY IM AN EX MARINE SF SGT. SO I AM VERY FAMILLIAR WITH LEATHAL AND NOW LEATHAL ENCOUNTERING SO THE JAPANESE ARE THE ONES WHO WILL ACTUALL HURT SOMEBODY BUT LOOK AT THEIR PAST THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN MENTALLY UNSTABLE. I MEAN THEY CAN EVEN BUILD A BUILDING WITHOUT IT FALLING AND KILLING THOUSANDS OR OPERATE A POWER PLANT CORRECTALY WITHOUT NEUKING THEMSELVES VERY SCARY EVEN MEXICO CAN DO THIS FOR CHRIST SAKES. SO HOW CAN THEY BE TRUSTED WITH A FRAGILE ECOSYSTEM THAT DOSENT EVEN BELONG TO THEM. HELLO PEOPLE</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sea Shepherds vs Japanese Whaling Research by dave swank</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave swank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 23:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i AM VERY DISSAPOINTED WITH SOME REMARKS BY WHOMEVER WROTE THIS ARTICLE. I HAVE STUDIED THE TACTICS OF THE SS AND FOUND WHILE SOME OF THEIR ACTIONS CAN BE DANGEROUS I HAVE FOUND THAT ALMOST ALL VIOLENT RAMING AS WELL AS ANY COLLISIONS HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN VERY INTENTIONAL BY THE WHALERS. SO I SAY THIS IF IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND AND A WHALERS BOAT HAD BEEN SUNK EVERYONE ON THE SS WOULD BE IN JAIL BY NOW SO WHO ARE THE JAPENESE PAYING OFF EXACTUALLY TO GET AWAY WITH PIRATEISM.IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO PROTEST BUT IT IS ILLEGAL TO SINK ANOTHER BEINGS SHIP EVEN IF THEY MAKE YOU MAD. SO I THINK THERES ALOT MORE TO THE STORY THEN WHAT IS TOLD OR SHOWN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i AM VERY DISSAPOINTED WITH SOME REMARKS BY WHOMEVER WROTE THIS ARTICLE. I HAVE STUDIED THE TACTICS OF THE SS AND FOUND WHILE SOME OF THEIR ACTIONS CAN BE DANGEROUS I HAVE FOUND THAT ALMOST ALL VIOLENT RAMING AS WELL AS ANY COLLISIONS HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN VERY INTENTIONAL BY THE WHALERS. SO I SAY THIS IF IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND AND A WHALERS BOAT HAD BEEN SUNK EVERYONE ON THE SS WOULD BE IN JAIL BY NOW SO WHO ARE THE JAPENESE PAYING OFF EXACTUALLY TO GET AWAY WITH PIRATEISM.IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO PROTEST BUT IT IS ILLEGAL TO SINK ANOTHER BEINGS SHIP EVEN IF THEY MAKE YOU MAD. SO I THINK THERES ALOT MORE TO THE STORY THEN WHAT IS TOLD OR SHOWN.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sea Shepherds vs Japanese Whaling Research by purerichard</title>
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		<dc:creator>purerichard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rand - well stated. I think you are right, that is a core issue here: Not all laws work in every situation, but who gets to determine that? And if everyone determines it for themselves, what maintains order in society?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rand &#8211; well stated. I think you are right, that is a core issue here: Not all laws work in every situation, but who gets to determine that? And if everyone determines it for themselves, what maintains order in society?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sea Shepherds vs Japanese Whaling Research by Rand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Legality and morality are often at odds. The dilemma is when is it justified to act in defiance of law or sanctioned activities. I have broken the law to rescue a mother dog and her pup from a neighbor. I came close to being jailed, but would do it again. Respecting cultural traditions is another dilemma. Which ones do you accept and which ones are unacceptable? Clitoral excision of young women is clearly unacceptable by my standards.The courage and conviction to take action in violation of established laws has often lead to postive and progressive changes.The actions of a few can promote public awareness. Time will usually tell which actions are justified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legality and morality are often at odds. The dilemma is when is it justified to act in defiance of law or sanctioned activities. I have broken the law to rescue a mother dog and her pup from a neighbor. I came close to being jailed, but would do it again. Respecting cultural traditions is another dilemma. Which ones do you accept and which ones are unacceptable? Clitoral excision of young women is clearly unacceptable by my standards.The courage and conviction to take action in violation of established laws has often lead to postive and progressive changes.The actions of a few can promote public awareness. Time will usually tell which actions are justified.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Craig Newmark Talks about the Internet and Democracy by pass 233</title>
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		<dc:creator>pass 233</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 09:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The goverment needs to be monitored by the public. Transperancy is the main key to maintain a healthy democracy. Therefore, the internet is the only media which is not mislead by money like other mass media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The goverment needs to be monitored by the public. Transperancy is the main key to maintain a healthy democracy. Therefore, the internet is the only media which is not mislead by money like other mass media.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sea Shepherds vs Japanese Whaling Research by Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, I think the Japanese should begin to resort to lethal means to defend themselves at this point. 

The Sea Shepard Conservation Society is a legitimate terrorist operation, undertaking missions that are dangerous to themselves and to the targets of their hatred, those who participate in whaling - that this is done LEGALLY does not deter the SSCS.

The SSCS has no jurisdiction and no legal authority to cause damage to property, life or limb. Arguing over whether the trivialities of the destruction of the Ady Gil is nonsensical. It does not matter - the Ady Gil was in the process of attempting a police action (similar to throwing spike strips in front of a car) that it was not authorized to perform, no matter what twisted interpretation of a UN resolution that Watson decides to cite.

With the constant threat of assault from earth-worshippers, whose zeal matches that of religious extremists, my opinion is that the Japanese should make the proposition of assailing one of their research ships as intolerable as possible. 

Considering that SSCS members have attempted to board ships, disable ships, and and injure whaling ship crewpersons, the actions of this criminal enterprise could be construed as piracy itself. Considering that piracy on the seas still exists, the Japanese should begin using lethal weaponry to deter these eco-terrorists from striking again.



Or I could just be talking out of my rear. Who knows. I was bored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, I think the Japanese should begin to resort to lethal means to defend themselves at this point. </p>
<p>The Sea Shepard Conservation Society is a legitimate terrorist operation, undertaking missions that are dangerous to themselves and to the targets of their hatred, those who participate in whaling &#8211; that this is done LEGALLY does not deter the SSCS.</p>
<p>The SSCS has no jurisdiction and no legal authority to cause damage to property, life or limb. Arguing over whether the trivialities of the destruction of the Ady Gil is nonsensical. It does not matter &#8211; the Ady Gil was in the process of attempting a police action (similar to throwing spike strips in front of a car) that it was not authorized to perform, no matter what twisted interpretation of a UN resolution that Watson decides to cite.</p>
<p>With the constant threat of assault from earth-worshippers, whose zeal matches that of religious extremists, my opinion is that the Japanese should make the proposition of assailing one of their research ships as intolerable as possible. </p>
<p>Considering that SSCS members have attempted to board ships, disable ships, and and injure whaling ship crewpersons, the actions of this criminal enterprise could be construed as piracy itself. Considering that piracy on the seas still exists, the Japanese should begin using lethal weaponry to deter these eco-terrorists from striking again.</p>
<p>Or I could just be talking out of my rear. Who knows. I was bored.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sea Shepherds vs Japanese Whaling Research by purerichard</title>
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		<dc:creator>purerichard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Charlie, I appreciate your stopping by and commenting. I agree with many of your points, although I also have these comments:

How figure the boat is stationary? At the 1:00 mark in the clip you provided, I see a small wake coming from the Addy, which to me means to me the boat was under power. Not much, perhaps, but it is there.

At what point in a clip do you see a deliberate turn? I have never seen that in any clip, and I&#039;m pretty sure I have seen them all. Remember, boats rocks and shift a little in the seas. Not all shifts of direction are intentional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Charlie, I appreciate your stopping by and commenting. I agree with many of your points, although I also have these comments:</p>
<p>How figure the boat is stationary? At the 1:00 mark in the clip you provided, I see a small wake coming from the Addy, which to me means to me the boat was under power. Not much, perhaps, but it is there.</p>
<p>At what point in a clip do you see a deliberate turn? I have never seen that in any clip, and I&#8217;m pretty sure I have seen them all. Remember, boats rocks and shift a little in the seas. Not all shifts of direction are intentional.</p>
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